Sep 30, 2026 · 35 min · 11 segments
Most eCommerce brands optimize for revenue and reported ROAS. Jordan Craig optimizes for profit. In this episode of Beyond the Now, Liam Millward sits down with Rob Varon, VP of Digital at Jordan…
Liam MillwardHost
Something you spend a lot of time thinking about, and I'm excited to come to AI in just a second, but starting kind of at the top, something you spend a lot of time thinking about, talking about, and are very, I guess, adamant about is profitability.
But the reality is for a company like Jordan Craig, which is fully bootstrapped, profit is what keeps the business running.
And that I think is the most important thing is if I give anyone a channel, anyone a dollar, whatever channel it may be, whether that is a paid media channel, whether that's an agency, whether that's a data collector, if I give you a dollar, you better give me $2 back.
There's so many companies that, Meta's the perfect example, you give them a dollar, they'll say they made you two, three, four, eight dollars back, but the reality is maybe only a dollar fifty of that was incremental.

Something you spend a lot of time thinking about, and I'm excited to come to AI in just a second, but starting kind of at the top, something you spend a lot of time thinking about, talking about, and are very, I guess, adamant about is profitability.
But the reality is for a company like Jordan Craig, which is fully bootstrapped, profit is what keeps the business running.
And that I think is the most important thing is if I give anyone a channel, anyone a dollar, whatever channel it may be, whether that is a paid media channel, whether that's an agency, whether that's a data collector, if I give you a dollar, you better give me $2 back.
There's so many companies that, Meta's the perfect example, you give them a dollar, they'll say they made you two, three, four, eight dollars back, but the reality is maybe only a dollar fifty of that was incremental.
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