Beyond the Couch: AI in Psychology
Sep 1, 2026 · 35 min · 15 segments
In this episode of Beyond the Couch, Dr. Ernest Wayde sits down with Dr. Alyssa Dietz, a clinical psychologist whose career spans academia, clinical practice, digital therapeutics, and…
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Obviously, we want to make sure before we use something like that in our practice that they are, you know, we are transparent in where the data goes, we get consent from our patients, all of those things absolutely apply.

But one of the things that's really interesting about AI is that it's able to pattern match and it's able to hold a reference window beyond what any human brain can comprehend, right? And so we can start to look for subtleties.

And we can also start to look at what interventions are helpful and then being able to surface those insights to psychologists that they're able to have that greater level of insight into their patients and what might be helpful for them.
I know at ISO, you guys work specifically with AI providing CBT skills training, right? What is some of that work giving you insight into what AI does well? and where perhaps it might not be appropriate in the clinical system.

One of the things that it does not do well yet, I'm not saying it will never do well, but today, the clinical judgment piece is... not where it would be considered comparable to a human psychologist, right? And I'll give you an example of that in a moment.

Where I think it does really well is skills training, teaching people a new concept, helping them figure out a practice schedule and a practice plan that makes sense for them and their life and their specific circumstances.

And so I think about this a lot, like when I used to be a professor, this was, over a decade ago now, you know, the flipped classroom model was all the rage.

It was like if you give somebody your class something to work on at home or to learn the concept and they come into the classroom and you deepen, you help them sort of troubleshoot, right? So I think about AI sometimes like that.

Like, I remember there were days when I was seeing patients like in the VA maybe, and I would have had maybe like eight first behavioral activation sessions in a week.

So that's like eight hours of basically saying more or less the same thing, right? Like introducing the concept of behavioral activation, et cetera.

So what I think about is that like the AI is able to teach that concept, teach that skill, help build a practice plan.

And then a human can be there to help with that judgment, to deepen the specifics, figure out how to amend their plan because they're on shift work or you know, whatever it might be, but really deepen the applicability of the concepts to the person and help navigate complexities that we know are the rule rather than exception in human reality and behavior.

Obviously, we want to make sure before we use something like that in our practice that they are, you know, we are transparent in where the data goes, we get consent from our patients, all of those things absolutely apply.

But one of the things that's really interesting about AI is that it's able to pattern match and it's able to hold a reference window beyond what any human brain can comprehend, right? And so we can start to look for subtleties.

And we can also start to look at what interventions are helpful and then being able to surface those insights to psychologists that they're able to have that greater level of insight into their patients and what might be helpful for them.
I know at ISO, you guys work specifically with AI providing CBT skills training, right? What is some of that work giving you insight into what AI does well? and where perhaps it might not be appropriate in the clinical system.

One of the things that it does not do well yet, I'm not saying it will never do well, but today, the clinical judgment piece is... not where it would be considered comparable to a human psychologist, right? And I'll give you an example of that in a moment.

Where I think it does really well is skills training, teaching people a new concept, helping them figure out a practice schedule and a practice plan that makes sense for them and their life and their specific circumstances.

And so I think about this a lot, like when I used to be a professor, this was, over a decade ago now, you know, the flipped classroom model was all the rage.

It was like if you give somebody your class something to work on at home or to learn the concept and they come into the classroom and you deepen, you help them sort of troubleshoot, right? So I think about AI sometimes like that.

Like, I remember there were days when I was seeing patients like in the VA maybe, and I would have had maybe like eight first behavioral activation sessions in a week.

So that's like eight hours of basically saying more or less the same thing, right? Like introducing the concept of behavioral activation, et cetera.

So what I think about is that like the AI is able to teach that concept, teach that skill, help build a practice plan.

And then a human can be there to help with that judgment, to deepen the specifics, figure out how to amend their plan because they're on shift work or you know, whatever it might be, but really deepen the applicability of the concepts to the person and help navigate complexities that we know are the rule rather than exception in human reality and behavior.
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