America's Gold Authority Podcast
Sep 8, 2026 · 23 min · 8 segments
On this episode of *America’s Gold Authority® Podcast*, host Mike Barnes is joined by Philip N. Diehl, President of U.S. Money Reserve and former Director of the U.S. Mint, and Brad Chastain, U.S…
Brad ChastainGuest
Philip DiehlGuestMike BarnesHostWhen Philip Diehl emphatically says, "That's not how it works," we gotta look closer at that.
Brad Chastang, I know you have a graph telling us about interest rates and the GDP.

Yeah, in, in, in context of long-term rates, I think it's important to understand, um, some, some relationships.

I mean, when we talked about the policies that were being put in place long ago, you may remember we talked about the fact that the, the administration has never even talked about trying to pay down debt.

They've only talked about outgrowing debt, so moving GDP up so that it grows faster than debt over time, and they wanna do that by reducing deficits, not eliminating them, getting down to 3% of GDP, and presumably growing faster than that.

And so I think it's kind of important to understand the relationship with rates if they are successful.

So when they say that, you know, the second quarter of this year GDP was 2.1% year over year, that's real.

Nominals before the inflation adjustment, it was 6.5% in the quarter, in quarter two of this year.

Um, but you can see going way, way back that as GDP rises, rates tend to follow.

They don't have a correlated relationship, but they have what we call a cointegrated relationship where they're tied together, they're bound together over time, that they tend to mean revert.

And what has happened, you know, going all the way back into the '60s and all the way up into the '80s, we saw nominal GDP, mostly because of the high inflation during that time, rising with rates follow- following.

And then for 45 years, as, as Philip mentioned, uh, we saw, um, inflation expectations come down.

We saw actual disinflation, lower rates, bringing nominal GDP lower and lower over those years, and we saw rates falling during those years.
When Philip Diehl emphatically says, "That's not how it works," we gotta look closer at that.
Brad Chastang, I know you have a graph telling us about interest rates and the GDP.

Yeah, in, in, in context of long-term rates, I think it's important to understand, um, some, some relationships.

I mean, when we talked about the policies that were being put in place long ago, you may remember we talked about the fact that the, the administration has never even talked about trying to pay down debt.

They've only talked about outgrowing debt, so moving GDP up so that it grows faster than debt over time, and they wanna do that by reducing deficits, not eliminating them, getting down to 3% of GDP, and presumably growing faster than that.

And so I think it's kind of important to understand the relationship with rates if they are successful.

So when they say that, you know, the second quarter of this year GDP was 2.1% year over year, that's real.

Nominals before the inflation adjustment, it was 6.5% in the quarter, in quarter two of this year.

Um, but you can see going way, way back that as GDP rises, rates tend to follow.

They don't have a correlated relationship, but they have what we call a cointegrated relationship where they're tied together, they're bound together over time, that they tend to mean revert.

And what has happened, you know, going all the way back into the '60s and all the way up into the '80s, we saw nominal GDP, mostly because of the high inflation during that time, rising with rates follow- following.

And then for 45 years, as, as Philip mentioned, uh, we saw, um, inflation expectations come down.

We saw actual disinflation, lower rates, bringing nominal GDP lower and lower over those years, and we saw rates falling during those years.
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