Advancing Healthcare Through Simulation
Jun 25, 2026 · 39 min · 11 segments
In this episode of Advancing Health Care Through Simulation, host Lisa George sits down with Eli Kinney-Lang, Assistant Professor at the University of Calgary and Director of the engineering arm of…
Eli Kinney-LangGuest
Lisa GeorgeHost
So to start off, you've described the brain-computer interfaces, or BCIs, as a new way for people to interact with the world.

For listeners who may be unfamiliar with this field, what does the interaction actually look like in practice for children living with complex neurological disabilities? And how close are we to seeing BCIs become part of everyday life rather than within the research environment?

So I'll start with sort of what a BCI is or a brain-computer interface is, especially for those who might not be familiar with it.


I do end up talking quite a bit about what BCIs are not because sometimes people hear about this and they get a little bit worried or anxious thinking, oh, you can read my mind or read my thoughts.

Things like Black Mirror is one that people have asked me about quite a bit before.

It's almost more akin, you could think about it as like a big sort of electric response, something that I can't understand what your thoughts are, but sort of these really simple pathways that we've had for a long time, really trying to tap into those.

is that we have little sensors that we put on the scalp, and those sensors will read this big electric activity changing from the brain.

This is quite a bit different than the implanted space, which a lot of people hear about from the news, and they see these sort of amazing outcomes from the implanted space, where they actually are putting those sensors sort of on the brain surface itself.

But that requires a surgery, and a lot of the kids I work with, that obviously will not be great.

And the difference between the two, you can kind of think about it with respect to a stadium.

For the implanted space, it'd be like if you took a microphone into a sports stadium and you put that microphone in front of the section of fans right there, you could hear all of them yelling very, very clearly.

In the non-implanted space, where we have this sensor sort of on the scalp, it's like you took that microphone and put it two miles down the road.

So you can't really tell who's yelling or what's going on there, but you know when a big event happens.

So to start off, you've described the brain-computer interfaces, or BCIs, as a new way for people to interact with the world.

For listeners who may be unfamiliar with this field, what does the interaction actually look like in practice for children living with complex neurological disabilities? And how close are we to seeing BCIs become part of everyday life rather than within the research environment?

So I'll start with sort of what a BCI is or a brain-computer interface is, especially for those who might not be familiar with it.


I do end up talking quite a bit about what BCIs are not because sometimes people hear about this and they get a little bit worried or anxious thinking, oh, you can read my mind or read my thoughts.

Things like Black Mirror is one that people have asked me about quite a bit before.

It's almost more akin, you could think about it as like a big sort of electric response, something that I can't understand what your thoughts are, but sort of these really simple pathways that we've had for a long time, really trying to tap into those.

is that we have little sensors that we put on the scalp, and those sensors will read this big electric activity changing from the brain.

This is quite a bit different than the implanted space, which a lot of people hear about from the news, and they see these sort of amazing outcomes from the implanted space, where they actually are putting those sensors sort of on the brain surface itself.

But that requires a surgery, and a lot of the kids I work with, that obviously will not be great.

And the difference between the two, you can kind of think about it with respect to a stadium.

For the implanted space, it'd be like if you took a microphone into a sports stadium and you put that microphone in front of the section of fans right there, you could hear all of them yelling very, very clearly.

In the non-implanted space, where we have this sensor sort of on the scalp, it's like you took that microphone and put it two miles down the road.

So you can't really tell who's yelling or what's going on there, but you know when a big event happens.
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