Aug 24, 2026 · 44 min · 12 segments
I'm sitting down with life coach Michelle Gauthier to unpack people-pleasing — that thing so many of us do disguised as just being nice. Michelle drops a reframe that gave me a full-body reaction…
Michelle GothierGuestMonica PackerHost
People don't love when I say this, but I do think at its core, when we people please, we sometimes think we're being nice, but I think what we're being is controlling.

And I say that because we're trying to control the way that other people are seeing us.
Hi, this is Monica Packer, and you're listening to About Progress, where we are about progress made practical.
But what happens when keeping everyone else happy consistently comes at your own expense? Today I'm talking with Michelle Gothier about the sneaky ways people pleasing shows up in our lives and why it's often less about being nice and more about trying to control how other people see us.
We talk about how to spot people pleasing, its connection to perfectionism and a simple tool that can help you stop automatically saying yes and start making yourself part of the decision making process.
And some of those yeses, I was navigating in the middle of preparing this episode.
So I was so grateful that I had this information on my side as I navigated through some of those question marks.
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