Aug 18, 2026 · 37 min · 11 segments
Today, Mark and Jeremy discuss the most infamous serial killer in human history: Ted Bundy. Bundy’s cruelty spanned more victims than we might ever know, with the vicious murderer’s confessions…
Jeremy VineHost
Mark Williams-ThomasHost
Yeah, we have to cover this one because I think this is, I don't imagine anyone will be as wickedly prolific as this man in our society in the way that he was, Mark.
It's also the case, by the way, that he was the subject of one of the best true crime books ever written by a woman called Anne Rule, who died only recently.
And the reason it's extraordinary is, and this actually sets the scene quite well, is that she was in Washington in the 70s, and she was on a suicide hotline, a bit like the Samaritans.
And she decided, because she wanted to be a true crime writer, that she would write about these disappearances and murders.
And she said to her colleague on the suicide hotline, well, that's a funny thing.
She never for a second thought that the person who was doing the murder she was writing the book about was sitting next to her.
And when you read that book, you see, and this is why he was so successful, horrible word to use, you see her inability to believe that it was him even after he was locked up.
And I think that's a philosophy of the crimes like this are committed by people who are inherently bad, who are evil.
So therefore, when you look at that as a philosophy, he is absolutely a banality of evil because he was a normal person who lived amongst us.
Yeah, we have to cover this one because I think this is, I don't imagine anyone will be as wickedly prolific as this man in our society in the way that he was, Mark.
It's also the case, by the way, that he was the subject of one of the best true crime books ever written by a woman called Anne Rule, who died only recently.
And the reason it's extraordinary is, and this actually sets the scene quite well, is that she was in Washington in the 70s, and she was on a suicide hotline, a bit like the Samaritans.
And she decided, because she wanted to be a true crime writer, that she would write about these disappearances and murders.
And she said to her colleague on the suicide hotline, well, that's a funny thing.
She never for a second thought that the person who was doing the murder she was writing the book about was sitting next to her.
And when you read that book, you see, and this is why he was so successful, horrible word to use, you see her inability to believe that it was him even after he was locked up.
And I think that's a philosophy of the crimes like this are committed by people who are inherently bad, who are evil.
So therefore, when you look at that as a philosophy, he is absolutely a banality of evil because he was a normal person who lived amongst us.
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