Jul 10, 2026 · 31 min · 11 segments
Pete's life has been defined by teaching, leading and guiding in the alpine environments of this planet. He is happiest on cross country skis, whether skating the tracks or carving a few tele turns in…
Yeah, and I think sometimes with that as well, like to have it especially for two weeks or so, it's a version of giving them another home away from home, like that they can actually start to feel at home within the outdoors and have it as a place that they can go into, as you said, for that serenity and retreat away from everything.
And I think sometimes even as you were speaking, I was just thinking even about the simplicity part of it too.
is that when you're in these high adrenaline environments, like they're stealing cars and drugs and all sorts of things like that, to be able to come in and ground.
And then also sometimes for outdoor instructors who have been doing extreme adventure stuff, I've had to reteach myself to come into nature in the last few years and actually just enjoy it in the way that you can have that experience.
know serenity and peace and just that pure joy of just being again instead of what am i doing and what am i getting from this
um it's um and i still think that's um in outdoor ed uh more from my experience like i still work as an outdoor educator after what must be in my 35 odd years.
And I still think that's still the same dilemma currently in outdoor ed versus what is practiced in secondary colleges.
There is, to me, still a disconnect around what academics write and what schools provide.
And you see, school, like, I don't want to be too hard and out to educators because it comes back from what mum and dad's want.
Like, what are they expecting? What are the school principals expecting? It's...
Is it just being that adrenaline rush going whitewater rafting down some river or is it about being, you know, reflecting on the banks of that snowy river?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
It's come up in the podcast before, so I just want to ask the question, how important do you think the length of the experience in the outdoors is, Pete, as we seem to move into a world where the experience is shorter and shorter?
When we were working together at OEG, predominantly the programs for the school kids was five days, and now we know that many of them are three days, and it's all about economics.
Like, I'm working on a three-day program in September at a school in Bendigo, and it's so compromised that we call it out directly.
teacher outcomes or educational outcomes, but really it's just a one day recreational event.
Yeah, and I think sometimes with that as well, like to have it especially for two weeks or so, it's a version of giving them another home away from home, like that they can actually start to feel at home within the outdoors and have it as a place that they can go into, as you said, for that serenity and retreat away from everything.
And I think sometimes even as you were speaking, I was just thinking even about the simplicity part of it too.
is that when you're in these high adrenaline environments, like they're stealing cars and drugs and all sorts of things like that, to be able to come in and ground.
And then also sometimes for outdoor instructors who have been doing extreme adventure stuff, I've had to reteach myself to come into nature in the last few years and actually just enjoy it in the way that you can have that experience.
know serenity and peace and just that pure joy of just being again instead of what am i doing and what am i getting from this
um it's um and i still think that's um in outdoor ed uh more from my experience like i still work as an outdoor educator after what must be in my 35 odd years.
And I still think that's still the same dilemma currently in outdoor ed versus what is practiced in secondary colleges.
There is, to me, still a disconnect around what academics write and what schools provide.
And you see, school, like, I don't want to be too hard and out to educators because it comes back from what mum and dad's want.
Like, what are they expecting? What are the school principals expecting? It's...
Is it just being that adrenaline rush going whitewater rafting down some river or is it about being, you know, reflecting on the banks of that snowy river?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
It's come up in the podcast before, so I just want to ask the question, how important do you think the length of the experience in the outdoors is, Pete, as we seem to move into a world where the experience is shorter and shorter?
When we were working together at OEG, predominantly the programs for the school kids was five days, and now we know that many of them are three days, and it's all about economics.
Like, I'm working on a three-day program in September at a school in Bendigo, and it's so compromised that we call it out directly.
teacher outcomes or educational outcomes, but really it's just a one day recreational event.
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