Do I do this and draw upon that independence card? What are the things that guide your decision in doing that?

It's always what's the best outcome for the community.

Always.

That's what's central.

And that's genuinely the support we have as an organization.

There is genuine political commitment to that independence, and I think it comes through the recognition and the knowledge, actual or otherwise, that there may have been political interference during COVID of public health information.

And so we have incredibly bold legislation which empowers us to publish that information.

Mm.

First, tell us how you got interested in sex and gender in health, and then tell us a little bit about that, the cardiac work that you've done.

Look, I w- I was born into a household dedicated to social justice when it came to women's health, so my parents were pioneers in the '60s and '70s to legalize access to safe abortion.

So that was the milieu into which I grew up and really remain deeply committed, and my mother also did a PhD as a social scientist looking at why rural female GPs have such, uh, can have such a challenging time, um, in their workplace.

So I was certainly primed for it, and then obviously I had that experience as an intern when I presented the article on, on cardiac and started actually a PhD.

Um, I was training as a cardiothoracic surgeon, and I started a PhD looking at lung cancer.

Started off a little bit like your book.

It didn't end where it started.

Yeah