And, you know, are they based in China, these transfer station services? Or are they based outside of China? Or do they connect to people or other organizations outside of China?

I think it's more like you can think of the supply chain as like three layers.

So like on the upper layer, you have upstream, which try to get access to these kind of frontier models.

So there you will have like the people who have like, for example, foreign billing address and foreign numbers, and they can like get access by in those frontier models through various means.

So I think like those services, sometimes they are based on foreign based.

And then like in the middle layer, you're trying to like aggregating all these accounts and routing them to like different users.

And that part is like, it's like somewhat technical, but there's various kind of open source project on GitHub that seems that you can just set up fairly easily to do all these kind of thing.

And I was wondering if you could talk more about what's really behind this AI optimism in China.