... how was that, and how important was it to then get a backbone of your band, to have a bassist to kind of be your home base and be that watchtower in the storm while you guys go and get foggy?

Heck yeah.

That's a great way to put it.

We, it, it, we, um, we kind of s- didn't find a bass player for a long time because we wanted to find the right person.

We wanted to find somebody who fit in with the group as friends.

We're all friends.

We're friends first, and we're, we're a band, you know, out of that friendship and out of that wanting to play with each other.

'Cause, like, you can kind of, right? You can be like, "Oh, well, this is kind of the lick," or do you really wanna force yourself to, like, play the same cut for a second time, or do you go like, "Hey, I kinda like what I did here," and then stretch it out a little bit more?