Like, you know, and it, it works for

sure.

But from the opening note, I mean, that's the way it's, everything is stacked on top of each other.

It works.

It's one of those, it's one of those mixes.

Like you ever see those things with Eddie Kramer, where he'll go back and be like, here's this epic, here's this epic guitar track that you've always heard.

And then when you hear it isolated, it's just like this ice picky, mid range, terrible sound.

Yeah.

Where's the line between automation, orchestration, and genuine agentic behavior? And why does getting that wrong matter for security?

the world really woke up to a new reality with OpenAI's hacking of Hugging Face.

And it really laid bare a lot of the challenges with AI agents.

When you are just trying to automate a discrete task, moving the box from point A to point B, That's a great case for automation, and you may have a really small agent that does that.

Similarly with orchestration, right? You build these really small kind of one-off purpose-built agents that then get orchestrated through these series of steps.

There's absolutely security concerns around that, but when you have...

these really tightly bound um uh workloads you know it's you can define that that blast radius that risk a little bit easier when you get into into full autonomous thought right of where you know you've given an agent a goal and you're saying i want you to find the best path forward to accomplish that goal you really have to to design security from the very beginning and from the ground up You know, I tell people quite often, I said, look, I said, when people are first starting out, even with generative AI, right? You know, you're writing your first prompt into Claude.

What does a well guardrailed agent connecting to a poorly secured MCP server look like in practice?

I love

that.

Joe pointed at me, so I guess that's my cue to give my Led Zepp story.

Mine is not as romantic as Andrew's, which is literally kind of a fairytale discovery of one of the greatest rock and roll bands of all time.

I remember I started playing guitar 12, 13, 7th grade-ish range, circa 9, 11.

Never forget.

And I guess I didn't really know who Led Zeppelin really was.

Nathan Yocum.

Yeah

But yeah, no, but I, I mean, it's, I ...

Kinda back to what I said about this album being a representative what Nirvana is to me and what they capture on spectrums of, um, alternative rock and, and, and pop rock.

Um, this song kinda hits that note, too.

Like, it's got the riff, it's got the, the delicate melody, but it's also got, like, the anger and angst to it.

Um-

I just knew it was a female cellist.

Yeah, she did a interview with Rolling Stone in 2013 or 2023.

Was that, forgive me, 12 or 13 maybe?

Yeah, I...

Right b- right before 13, so yeah.

Um, circa 9/11 probably.

Uh, and, uh, so I hadn't really heard anything else by Nirvana other than what was on Nevermind, and then I got the Greatest Hits, which I think came out in 2002, maybe, like, that spring.

Um, I'd have to go back and look.

But it had, you know, had Rape Me and Heart-Shaped Box and All Apologies and Pennyroyal Tea on it.

Bye, guys.

Yeah.

Uh, I mean, we ...

In this past year we've sold an 88 acre timber sale, it's gonna be harvested ideally this winter.

Um, I know people get all excited about the timber sales.

So I'll also tell you we're, we're working right now on finalizing, uh, over or close to 250 acre timber sale we'll be doing.

That's, uh, Red Pine Salvage, um, on the Huron Manistee.

And both those projects are gonna cover, or they're gonna fund, uh, roughly 100 plus acres of stewardship work that's considered non-commercial and might not be done, uh, if it wasn't for projects like this or timber sales like this.

Yeah

Yeah.

Uh, I mean, we, in this past year we've sold an 88 acre timber sale, it's gonna be harvested ideally this winter.

Um, I know people get all excited about the timber sales.

So I'll also tell you we're, we're working right now on finalizing, uh, over or close to 250 acre timber sale we'll be doing.

That's, uh, Red Pine Salvage, um, on the Huron Manistee.

And both those projects are gonna cover or they're gonna fund, uh, roughly 100 plus acres of stewardship work that's considered non-commercial and might not be done, uh, if it wasn't for projects like this or timber sales like this.

Um, so the tide's definitely changing.

Yeah