Yeah.

I mean, we've been doing this for 11 years and have hired like, you know, hundreds of people from interns to marketing leaders and people that we see of value in Pitcher.

And when we started, there really isn't a hiring framework.

Even until today, we're still trying to figure out a right framework for each position, each level, each tier.

And We just, I think I remember when we hired our first intern, it was my co-founder's friend.

So it was a friend and we thought that, oh, you know, she has some time, so why not we hire her in? And then after that we hired, we needed some male, we needed people to do some heavy work.

So we hired some people who, uh, some guys and, and we thought, okay, as long as, uh, they, we can talk to them, we can, uh, jive, we can vibe, they call it.

What were the first signs that this had happened and how long did it take before you and your co-founders started to admit that this was a real problem?