It's, it's not getting any better, is it?

No, that's, that's right.

So what all the data points are telling us is that in fact homelessness is, is on the increase.

Uh, certainly in our services we're seeing increased demand across the board.

Uh, unfortunately, our turnaway rates are, are higher than we've seen them for some time.

Uh, and it's, it's complex.

Um, you know, people present with many, many different reasons as to why they've fallen into homelessness.

That's right