I

don't mean every single meeting, but there needs to be a theme where it's normalised and it's part of a day-to-day conversation.

So it's not a big thing.

You shouldn't be having a, oh, today I'm going to have a mental health conversation.

It should be just talking to someone, ask them how they are, if there's any problems, we can talk about what they need and what I can do.

And I think that's the kind of approach that's needed.

And that's what's going to, you know, we spoke earlier about a culture in the workplace and, you know, culture where there's stigma that stops people opening up and talking.

Yeah.