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Oct 7, 2026
From The Summary Podcast - When AI Goes Rogue: Cyber Threats, Data Privacy, and Australia’s Defences
7:24
10:09

Josh BryantHOST
So does that mean we need to change our protections, defend in a different way if, if they're attacking in a different way?
Y
7:36Yang XiangGUEST
The, uh, speed of the attack, the cost of the attack, and, uh, the scale of the attack.
Y
7:43Yang XiangGUEST
First of all, the speed has been, uh, significantly changed because the AI agents can launch different types of, uh, attack methods, uh, in a very, very, uh, fast speed, and they can try different ways to hack into the system in a very short period of time.
Y
8:03Yang XiangGUEST
And because of the automated tools that is supported by AI agents, the cost of attack has been, uh, significantly, uh, reduced.

Josh BryantHOST
Is this essentially now an arms race where the only way to defend against an AI attack is with some kind of AI defense system?
From The Summary Podcast - When AI Goes Rogue: Cyber Threats, Data Privacy, and Australia’s Defences
7:24
10:09

Josh BryantHOST
So does that mean we need to change our protections, defend in a different way if they're attacking in a different way?
Y
7:33Yang XiangGUEST
Because there are three aspects are changing the speed of the attack, the cost of the attack, and the scale of the attack.
Y
7:42Yang XiangGUEST
First of all, the speed has been significantly changed because the AI agents can launch different types of attack methods in a very, very fast speed, and they can try different ways to hack into the system in a very short period of time.
Y
8:03Yang XiangGUEST
And because of the automated tools that is supported by AI agents, the cost of attack has been significantly reduced.

Josh BryantHOST
Is this essentially now an arms race where the only way to defend against an AI attack is with some kind of AI defense system?
From The Summary Podcast - When AI Goes Rogue: Cyber Threats, Data Privacy, and Australia’s Defences
7:24
10:09

Josh BryantHOST
So does that mean we need to change our protections, defend in a different way if they're attacking in a different way?
Y
7:33Yang XiangGUEST
Because there are three aspects are changing the speed of the attack, the cost of the attack, and the scale of the attack.
Y
7:42Yang XiangGUEST
First of all, the speed has been significantly changed because the AI agents can launch different types of attack methods in a very, very fast speed, and they can try different ways to hack into the system in a very short period of time.
Y
8:03Yang XiangGUEST
And because of the automated tools that is supported by AI agents, the cost of attack has been significantly reduced.

Josh BryantHOST
Is this essentially now an arms race where the only way to defend against an AI attack is with some kind of AI defense system?
From The Summary Podcast - When AI Goes Rogue: Cyber Threats, Data Privacy, and Australia’s Defences
8:25
11:10

Josh BryantHOST
So does that mean we need to change our protections, defend in a different way if, if they're attacking in a different way?
Y
8:36Yang XiangGUEST
The, uh, speed of the attack, the cost of the attack, and the, the scale of the attack.
Y
8:43Yang XiangGUEST
First of all, the speed has been, uh, significantly changed because the AI agents can launch different types of, uh, attack methods, uh, in a very, very, uh, fast speed, and they can try different ways to hack into the system in a very short period of time.
Y
9:03Yang XiangGUEST
And because of the automated tools that is supported by AI agents, the cost of attack has been, uh, significantly, uh, reduced.

Josh BryantHOST
Is this essentially now an arms race where the only way to defend against an AI attack is with some kind of AI defense system?
From The Summary Podcast - When AI Goes Rogue: Cyber Threats, Data Privacy, and Australia’s Defences
7:24
10:09

Josh BryantHOST
So does that mean we need to change our protections, defend in a different way if they're attacking in a different way?
Y
7:33Yang XiangGUEST
Because there are three aspects are changing the speed of the attack, the cost of the attack, and the scale of the attack.
Y
7:42Yang XiangGUEST
First of all, the speed has been significantly changed because the AI agents can launch different types of attack methods in a very, very fast speed, and they can try different ways to hack into the system in a very short period of time.
Y
8:03Yang XiangGUEST
And because of the automated tools that is supported by AI agents, the cost of attack has been significantly reduced.

Josh BryantHOST
Is this essentially now an arms race where the only way to defend against an AI attack is with some kind of AI defense system?
From The Summary Podcast - When AI Goes Rogue: Cyber Threats, Data Privacy, and Australia’s Defences
7:24
10:09

Josh BryantHOST
So does that mean we need to change our protections, defend in a different way if they're attacking in a different way?
Y
7:33Yang XiangGUEST
Because there are three aspects are changing the speed of the attack, the cost of the attack, and the scale of the attack.
Y
7:42Yang XiangGUEST
First of all, the speed has been significantly changed because the AI agents can launch different types of attack methods in a very, very fast speed, and they can try different ways to hack into the system in a very short period of time.
Y
8:03Yang XiangGUEST
And because of the automated tools that is supported by AI agents, the cost of attack has been significantly reduced.

Josh BryantHOST
Is this essentially now an arms race where the only way to defend against an AI attack is with some kind of AI defense system?
From The Summary Podcast - When AI Goes Rogue: Cyber Threats, Data Privacy, and Australia’s Defences
7:24
10:09

Josh BryantHOST
So does that mean we need to change our protections, defend in a different way if, if they're attacking in a different way?
Y
7:31Yang XiangGUEST
Yes, exactly, because there are three aspects are changing, the, uh, speed of the attack, the cost of the attack, and the, the scale of the attack.
Y
7:43Yang XiangGUEST
First of all, the speed has been, uh, significantly changed because the AI agents can launch different types of, uh, attack methods, uh, in a very, very, uh, fast speed, and they can try different ways to hack into the system in a very short period of time.
Y
8:03Yang XiangGUEST
And because of the automated tools that is, uh, supported by AI agents, the cost of attack has been, uh, significantly, uh, reduced.

Josh BryantHOST
Is this essentially now an arms race where the only way to defend against an AI attack is with some kind of AI defense system?
From The Summary Podcast - When AI Goes Rogue: Cyber Threats, Data Privacy, and Australia’s Defences
8:24
11:09

Josh BryantHOST
So does that mean we need to change our protections, defend in a different way if they're attacking in a different way?
Y
8:31Yang XiangGUEST
Yes, exactly, because there are three aspects of changing the speed of the attack, the cost of the attack, and the scale of the attack.
Y
8:43Yang XiangGUEST
First of all, the speed has been significantly changed because the AI agents can launch different types of attack methods in a very, very fast speed, and they can try different ways to hack into the system in a very short period of time.
Y
9:03Yang XiangGUEST
And because of the automated tools that is supported by AI agents, the cost of attack has been significantly reduced.

Josh BryantHOST
Is this essentially now an arms race where the only way to defend against an AI attack is with some kind of AI defense system?
From The Summary Podcast - When AI Goes Rogue: Cyber Threats, Data Privacy, and Australia’s Defences
7:24
10:09

Josh BryantHOST
So does that mean we need to change our protections, defend in a different way if, if they're attacking in a different way?
Y
7:31Yang XiangGUEST
Yes, exactly, because there are three aspects are changing, the, uh, speed of the attack, the cost of the attack, and, uh, the scale of the attack.
Y
7:43Yang XiangGUEST
First of all, the speed has been, uh, significantly changed because the AI agents can launch different types of, uh, attack methods, uh, in a very, very, uh, fast speed, and they can try different ways to hack into the system in a very short period of time.
Y
8:03Yang XiangGUEST
And because of the automated tools that is supported by AI agents, the cost of attack has been, uh, significantly, uh, reduced.

Josh BryantHOST
Is this essentially now an arms race where the only way to defend against an AI attack is with some kind of AI defense system?
From The Summary Podcast - When AI Goes Rogue: Cyber Threats, Data Privacy, and Australia’s Defences
7:24
10:09

Josh BryantHOST
So does that mean we need to change our protections, defend in a different way if they're attacking in a different way?
Y
7:33Yang XiangGUEST
Because there are three aspects are changing the speed of the attack, the cost of the attack, and the scale of the attack.
Y
7:42Yang XiangGUEST
First of all, the speed has been significantly changed because the AI agents can launch different types of attack methods in a very, very fast speed, and they can try different ways to hack into the system in a very short period of time.
Y
8:03Yang XiangGUEST
And because of the automated tools that is supported by AI agents, the cost of attack has been significantly reduced.

Josh BryantHOST
Is this essentially now an arms race where the only way to defend against an AI attack is with some kind of AI defense system?
From The Summary Podcast - When AI Goes Rogue: Cyber Threats, Data Privacy, and Australia’s Defences
7:24
10:09

Josh BryantHOST
So does that mean we need to change our protections, defend in a different way if, if they're attacking in a different way?
Y
7:31Yang XiangGUEST
Yes, exactly, because there are three aspects are changing, the, uh, speed of the attack, the cost of the attack, and, uh, the scale of the attack.
Y
7:43Yang XiangGUEST
First of all, the speed has been, uh, significantly changed because the AI agents can launch different types of, uh, attack methods, uh, in a very, very, uh, fast speed, and they can try different ways to hack into the system in a very short period of time.
Y
8:03Yang XiangGUEST
And because of the automated tools that is, uh, supported by AI agents, the cost of attack has been, uh, significantly, uh, reduced.

Josh BryantHOST
Is this essentially now an arms race where the only way to defend against an AI attack is with some kind of AI defense system?
From The Summary Podcast - When AI Goes Rogue: Cyber Threats, Data Privacy, and Australia’s Defences
7:24
10:09

Josh BryantHOST
So does that mean we need to change our protections, defend in a different way if, if they're attacking in a different way?
Y
7:36Yang XiangGUEST
The, uh, speed of the attack, the cost of the attack, and the, the scale of the attack.
Y
7:43Yang XiangGUEST
First of all, the speed has been, uh, significantly changed because the AI agents can launch different types of, uh, attack methods, uh, in a very, very, uh, fast speed, and they can try different ways to hack into the system in a very short period of time.
Y
8:03Yang XiangGUEST
And because of the automated tools that is, uh, supported by AI agents, the cost of attack has been, uh, significantly, uh, reduced.

Josh BryantHOST
Is this essentially now an arms race where the only way to defend against an AI attack is with some kind of AI defense system?