How much of that success did you feel on the inside at the time when you were building it?

That's a very good question.

I think in the beginning, we didn't feel success at all.

I think one of the first measures of success was actually getting the first fundraise in.

I think the first round was like a $700,000 round.

We felt really proud and it took like six or seven months to get these investors in.

So we were quite proud to actually be able to invest now and hire people.

So what was that like? Like, were you already burnt out? Would you say when you had to transition to an employee and what was that like? Not being happy, feeling empty and drained and needing to show up for a company that's not even yours and having to keep pushing through.