Yeah, and that's been quite a rapid growth over the last couple of years, hasn't it? So from the beginning when you were probably working around the kitchen table, working all those hours on your own, give us a little bit of an insight into the journey because we get taught in university that, you know, it's this beautiful environment growth curve where everything goes smoothly and you know it's just a beautiful ride overnight success if only someone showed me that business yeah so what was it was it like really

um yeah it was I mean it has been ups and ups and downs and we've grown every single year which has been awesome um some years way more than others um I think the turning point for us though was just before I got breast cancer so that was uh five years ago in 2017 we'd just finished doing some work with one of the big four accounting firms and we're in the middle of it and they were telling us that we should stop spending so much time and money with our community with our family that our culture didn't differentiate us and that was quite demoralizing but also a big turn for us where we realized actually you guys haven't switched on to this yet And so we need to pretty quickly.

And we're quite lucky because I'm Maori, my husband's Samoan.

We weren't pretending to be something.

We just were.

So that was really the starting point for us.

Then I got cancer.

How is it being a husband and wife and working together in that visionary integrator relationship? Um, we've always