Was there a moment that you saw or personally experienced where you were like, "Okay, the narrative that I'm hearing in the media or the narrative that's, they're trying to spread is not actually what's happening and things are actually starting to go backwards"?

Absolutely.

You know, you talked about the Olympics.

The Beijing Olympics, the 2008 Olympics were so important to China.

This was a massive face project.

This is the first time that they're really going on the international stage, so they really pulled out all the stops to make sure that it was an incredible performance.

But as somebody who was living in China, it was the opposite.

Yeah.