So, so who did you kind of discover, let's say, and say, Oh,

Hmm.

Well, I, I'm a lyricist first.

Uh, and, and I think that whenever any, any song or song project and, and I'm, I'm getting, I'm getting luckier where I have ideas for songs and then sometimes I have ideas for albums, you know, and then it's just a matter of just getting all those pieces to fit, you know? Uh, but I think that, that, my favorite lyricists are the ones who are usually driving the car for me.

Um, I'm crazy about Kendrick Lamar.

Um, I'm crazy about Leonard Cohen.

I'm crazy about Harry Chapin.

How's it feel to be coming out to the open mic nights and meeting some of these other musicians?