directly and densely focused on the workings of government and the process of development in troy and pick one how that's playing out what was uh your background and maybe to remind listeners from the last time you were here and then again the spur that got you over the hump i think i remember what it was it was a redevelopment of uh a downtown block i think right

kind of um so um I worked in local government for a number of years.

Elected.

Well, not only that, but also as a bureaucrat.

On both sides.

Just like Joe.

Yeah.

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