He stayed in Pasadena and joined a group of engineers doing some early rocket testing.

People who became known by friends as the Suicide Squad because of a number of their experiments exploded.

Not lethally, uh, at least as far as I know.

And Qian suddenly found himself in the crosshairs.

The directors at Jet Propulsion have come to believe that there were some spies within this, the enterprise, and his suspicion fell on anyone Jewish and anyone Chinese.

I started by asking him to give an overview of the complicated trade links between those two sides of the strait.

Well, they are...

Mainland China is Taiwan's greater, greatest trading partner, much larger than the United States or the European Union.

And their trade, despite the tensions over the last, uh, several years have been growing.

Taiwan's imports over the last five years from mainland China have grown by about 87% and its exports to the mainland have grown by 71% o- over this period of time.

And this is largely in those areas in which Taiwan is a dominant player in the world, which is in electronics and in, in semiconductors, but not only in that.

It is a robust trading relationship although it shows signs of fraying at the political edges.

It's really interesting, that semiconductor focus in particular, because something that was noted last year after the Pelosi visit to Taiwan was that the Chinese stopped importing Taiwanese things like pineapples and beer, but not semiconductors, not the vast volume or value of the trade.