Okay.

I'd break it down pretty simply.

A board member cares about risk.

Yeah.

So they're looking at their corporation and saying, where do we have the most risk? And I would explain that it's almost an analogy of looking at your home security.

You spend a lot of money on cyber, which is equivalent to your back door of your house.

And so you're putting a lot of security in your back door, making sure people can't enter the corporation in a way that's going to give them harm.

Security or IT,