What gardens inspire you then? What are you inspired by when you see gardens or plants or out in nature? Is there anything that you bring back to put into your space or inform your space?

I love structural things.

I mean, that's why I love... dan pearson's works i think how he works with some elements i think are quite brutalist you know and i think it's fascinating how he brings that into his work and he's obviously clearly inspired by you know japanese gardens and what he's done at his own garden he's lucky to visit um What him and Hugh have done there is just astonishing, actually.

I mean, you know, it's pretty unbelievable.

So I love his work.

I get a lot from still looking at sort of Capability Brown and, you know, those kind of designs.

Gothic gardens, Arcadian gardens, you know.

Are you looking forward to it?

Oh.

So my dad's got the accrued knowledge of vegetables, you know, from years of people in the pub, in the countryside, and he just loves it.

I mean, r- like a religion, I would say.

And, and we had a, a sort of old potager sort of garden, and he would be there.

And then my mum came to it later, and then just, like it took off, and she's just a w- I mean, is a wonderful garden designer.

I mean, she just does it for her, but she just makes beautiful gardens and has designed two of my gardens.

Yeah, yeah.

So to begin with, I was probably a bit resentful.

It's a huge thing that you've taken on, but does it occupy a lot of your time? Especially if you're going off on tour, you're not going to be able to do that.

Yeah.

It's like a meditation now.

And now I'm feeling... better than the last time I spoke to you.

I mean, it's still, my nervous system is still a bit dodgy, but I'm definitely stronger and handling it better.

And it's not, you know, it's just a 40 mechanism and I'm managing to be like, this is just a 40 mechanism.

I'm enjoying the garden even more.

And

And

that's what used to happen because I used to get sort of harvested out from the beginning to the same level.

writers and all these people i mean like oh god some of that honestly it's even worse yeah but um now i was just like sort of posh kid from barks and i was in like this sort of massive house in miami this guy had like lamborghinis and he was like yeah man it's like what the fuck is going on You know what I mean? I just wanted to write some songs.

But what I used to do is start, I would find people that I loved and work with them.

So like, I loved Nitin Sawney, so I worked with Nitin.

I loved Groove Armada, so I worked with Groove Armada.

I loved a band called Lemon Jelly, who are apparently coming back.

Because you said in an interview, well no, you said you wanted to be out of music by the time you were 50 or something, or you were going to think about leaving when you were 50 and calling it a day.

But yourself growing up on a farm, what was the mental health implications? Because I always imagine it's quite isolating because it seems to be the family work on the farm, eat on the farm, and you don't have a massive community because you're in the field in the middle of nowhere.

Yeah.

I didn't really notice the isolation and the effects on mental health, probably until I came home full-time farming.

So there was a period in my life, I guess, that my dad wanted me to go to school, get an education, go to university, you know, get an education, because I felt like as a kid, he wasn't given that opportunity.

The stories that he tells, he was about 13 years old.

My grandfather put the boots on and he was going to be a farmer and that's all he was going to be sort of thing.

Growing up, me and my brother, he was very much go and get an education, go to university, I guess.

and all those different things amazing amazing well let's talk about the sneaky mushrooms snacked by European mushrooms they've done some research what's your research found my friend European

What's the rundown on this report, Will, about sort of snacking? I have to admit, these days I make a conscious effort to try and eat well and not snack as much but what's your take on it?

So I'm working with European Mushroom at the moment we did this really cool campaign and film not that long ago basically trying to encourage people to change their habits and don't necessarily we're not telling people to not snack but it's to snack smarter with the nice phrase sneaky mushroom snack time Because I feel like there's so many people that would snack, for example, if it's a sugary treat, if it's salty, something high in processed, and they But if you smack smarter, for example, with the mushrooms, and there's loads of different recipes and different ways that you can incorporate mushrooms into your daily life.

And to do that, you can just visit makeitamushroommoment.eu. There's so many benefits and so many positives for doing it.

For example, they contain B vitamins and vitamin D, reducing tiredness and fatigueness.

There's so many benefits.

And alongside that, they're delicious.

But let's say, for example, what are some of the recommendations you've got if someone sort of like, you know, wants a bit more flavor, but wants to, or any type of mushrooms out there as well, people can look out for too.

Yeah, look, I think there's so many different varieties of mushrooms that you and it's all, I guess, to people's particular tastes and different things like that.

Right.

We'll leave our body.

It's too painful.

Or feelings are overwhelming, too painful.

And I think I hit really painful feelings.

So my body went, we're out of here.

So literally, I went to see my Faye, my lovely manager at the time, Faye.

Yeah.

Where is it? [laughs] And singer Will Young.

I do think that for your wellbeing, um, for all of our wellbeing, we, we need... we don't think enough about what we're surrounded by.

[birds chirping] Do you feel like you've come back to s- something moving out of London and back into nature again-

Yeah.

I'd never seen it.

And then I came out one day, and I heard this noise.

I mean, it was just like a, a ...

It was a bird cry, but a cry that, of terror.

[clears throat]

I mean, weirdly, to come and speak to you is, is odd because that week that you guys had got in touch, I'd just been thinking about things that I've... passions and parts of myself that I'd forgotten about-

Africa king-

So I loved...

I just love the variety of them.

You know, there's the woodland kingfisher, which you hear everywhere.

It has a particular sound, like doo, doo, doo, doodle, doo.

It does that.