You were able to actually understand people and that helped you connect them to results and really be a people leader instead of a people manager, which most people get wrong.

Yeah, it's an interesting question.

When you think about leadership and we talk about forming things, building things, empowering people, there's a lot of common catchphrases and common thoughts that occur to you.

One of the things you've touched on already foundationally is all of this is about understanding yourself.

understanding your personal needs, understanding what drives you, what makes you happy, what makes you sad, what motivates you.

So I would say foundationally, understanding your own needs and how you function.

And being honest with yourself about that, reassessing and changing, shifting here and there, enables you then to apply that knowledge to how people react to you or how people react to situations.

So I'd love to understand when you were like, wow, I think providing is this way, but is it really? I'd love to know just maybe your thought process when you made that decision to your point to focus on self.