As a recruiter, sorry, Will, as a recruiter, how do you assess that someone, that a candidate has the right analytical mindset? Because there are skills that you can assess by like, you know, you don't know, or you have this certification, you have these credentials, right? How do you assess that a person has good, like, do you test them? Do you do like some sort of tabletop exercise or you have them use security tools, like AI powered security tools? How do you do this?

Yeah, a hundred percent.

And also assessing, remember we are, We are very much the middle people.

So, you know, Cam will come to me and he wants to get a shortlist rather than him having to go through 200 CVs or direct applications.

So we go to a certain level, but we're not the experts.

So we use different approaches, particularly within cyber.

It's first of all, get them talking, asking the questions.

And will our employers actually rewriting job specs because of AI? Have you seen that happening?