But talking about Above the Clouds, can you take us a little bit, sort of a peek behind the curtain? How was it made? What was the mindset? In which season did you make them? Anything that you can share about the mindset or techniques or anything like that.

I guess I'll start with the title Above the Clouds and the season that we were recording it in, because we made it in January and February of this year when it was specifically cold, harsh winter.

And, you know, over the past over the past handful of years, Lane and Jeremy and I have been getting together almost like as a support group to get through the hard times and come together and make music you know we were potting up in the pandemic and you know before the pandemic we would get together and play music and it was always very uplifting so you know the yeah the band kind of like took some different shapes post pandemic and I think this record was sort of getting back to the core ensemble and like getting back to my day ones with Lane and Jeremy.

And so that's kind of how it began was just the three of us getting in the studio and sort of exploring this new palette.

And yeah, I was just really inspired by more electronic, like left field ambient sort of stuff.

and really wanted Jeremy to just play SPD pad, you know, only this like little drum pad, no drum kit.

Cause in my head, I'm like, if we're taking this on the road, it'd be so great to not have to carry a drum kit around, you know? So let's like put in the work to get this thing sounding really cool.

quiet coming from like a kind of your vision versus above the clouds which is a little bit more kind of inviting this sort of jam space spontaneity kind of thing