But just to kind of bring it back to the beginning, again, integration in by nature is integrating or bringing home the experiences of a non-ordinary state into the ordinary state of affairs.

That's a really good introduction and, you know, synchronous to what the world that I've walked or the ways that-- things that I've seen walking through this world.

Also in a similar vein, you know, chop wood, carry water, going for-- go in for enlightenment, come back out the other side, chop wood, carry water.

It's just this time-honored tradition of, and in many traditions you have these vestical, these ecstatic experiences.

What do you do with those? And in many cases, I, I remember there's a really great story that Ann Shulgin tells, uh, and for people that aren't familiar with Ann's work, Ann and Sasha were two kind of figureheads in the psychedelic community through latter half of the twentieth century.

Sasha, a chemist, created over two hundred distinct chemical compounds that he then tested on himself, and then whenever he liked a compound and didn't find, you know, toxic effects, he would gradually come up from the nanogram scale all the way to whatever he thought would be a reasonable dose for that compound.

If he didn't detect any, you know, heart palpitations or arrhythmias or, you know, a distinctly difficult psychological state, he would then pass it on and give it to his wife, Ann, who would then take it and bring this very psychologically grounded perspective into it.

Is it possible that there is an experience that is so healing, so immensely of grandeur, of, of such immense import that it changes your life for the better for the rest of your life?

That's really good.

That's really good.

So I know you have a take on this and I want to set a foundation here.

So I've heard people like Bill Gates, Satya, Nutella, Sam Altman say, you know, well, what happens when I don't have to do my work anymore? Oh, I'll have more time to paint.

And what I hear from that is you won't have a job.

because you gotta read between the lines there.

I know you have a take on this and I wanna give you one more layer.

I think we had to swap out some of the casting.