Where has the charity sector given you opportunities to travel, and why is that different to the reality telly stuff?

Hmm.

Yeah, I think, I mean, the, the charity trips are very interesting because, um, these are the participants, so the people I'm serving really are the, uh, ordinary members of the public that are going on extraordinary challenges, and some of them are starting...

They're doing couch to Kilimanjaro.

They're starting from a very low base of physical fitness and outdoorsmanship, and they're taking on these extreme challenges.

Um, and the, uh, I, I quite enjoy...

I mean, most of it is quite touristy.

... disaster response or whatever it might be.

Yeah, I

think so.

And, you know, internally, I'm going to be completely honest with you, Ben.

I was bricking it.

I had training.

I've done various PHTLS, pre-hospital care courses.

You know, we teach on our wilderness medicine course.

How do you manage those conversations? Yeah.