
Will Chen
Will Chen is an Edmonds, Washington city councilmember, 2026 Democratic candidate for state representative in the 32nd Legislative District, and founder of Mike, an open-source legal AI platform built by a former Latham & Watkins lawyer.
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Sep 21, 2026
Will Chen on What Open Source Changes for Legal AI
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George HannahHOST
in life of rappers right so you have like um you know chat gpt is the rap around the llm and then you have you know the llm are based on the chips and the the chips are basically just sand at the end of the day and so yeah what are your thoughts on you know especially their valuations and do you think their value uh their valuations are justified given the product that they really have

Will ChenGUEST
So yeah, I think, you know, sort of the common criticism against like Harvey Nagora is that they are rappers, right? And then like the Harvey Nagoras, my fans would say that, but everything is a rapper, right? You know, I had this exact same debate on X, where, you know, I posted like some posts that, you know, Harvey Nagora, like, I would sort of like term them as token resellers.

Will ChenGUEST
And so people start saying, hey, but everything's a wrapper, right? As you mentioned, chips are just wrappers.
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George HannahHOST
yeah yeah no it'd be interesting to see what happens in a few years time how how often they post train the models given that it feels like they're coming out every other week at this rate yeah um awesome well if you were looking back on your legal career to date what would you tell yourself back in like covid would you even try to become a lawyer again or if you were to become a lawyer like what steps and tips would you give yourself to make yourself future proof?
Primary Elections 2026: Will Chen, candidate for Position 1, Legislative District 32
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Will ChenGUEST
My little bit background about myself, I was born and raised in China and I had an incredible honor to immigrate to the United States as a young man at the age of 24 in 1995 and working multiple jobs, put myself through school at University of Iowa, obtaining my not only bachelor degrees, but master degrees in accounting and later on a MBA and work myself with a Fortune 500 company, Kimberly Clark, as an internal auditor and had an incredible privilege for living in district number 32, where my permanent home is in Edmonds.

Will ChenGUEST
I ran for city council and was honored and lucky to be chosen and have been serving my city for the last five years in 2025.

Libby DenkmannHOST
But I want to just give you the opportunity here to tell me, do you agree that you are a conservative budget hawk? Any response to what the stranger wrote about you and kind of your philosophy towards the budget spending and revenue?
The Open-Source Disruptor: Will Chen
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Tom MartinHOST
I mean, we'll get into, like, the step-by-step, but Mike Oss, what got you there? Like, what interested you to even try something like that?

Will ChenGUEST
And to start, we had to start around the end of 2024, which was when I left Big Law, when I left Atom.
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Tom MartinHOST
What do you think about that general trend? Like, do you think it's going to create a trend that law firms are going to start investing in R&D? My sort of view right now
PET-Directed Radiation for Oligometastatic Disease
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Will ChenGUEST
I know at least one or two of my patients are in the audience, so thanks for showing up.

Will ChenGUEST
First, we'll talk a little bit about what Dr. Barrow already went over in great detail, which is how we detect where the cancer's returned.

Will ChenGUEST
And then I'll talk and focus mostly on the role of radiation treatment when the cancer has returned and spread to typically just one or a few areas.

Will ChenGUEST
And we'll talk about some work and research in the field and also here at UCSF that we've done to look at outcomes of modern radiation directed at metastatic prostate cancer.
PET-Directed Radiation for Oligometastatic Disease
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Will ChenGUEST
I know at least one or two of my patients are in the audience, so thanks for showing up.

Will ChenGUEST
First, we'll talk a little bit about what Dr. Barrow already went over in great detail, which is how we detect where the cancer's returned.

Will ChenGUEST
And then I'll talk and focus mostly on the role of radiation treatment when the cancer has returned and spread to typically just one or a few areas.

Will ChenGUEST
And we'll talk about some work and research in the field and also here at UCSF that we've done to look at outcomes of modern radiation directed at metastatic prostate cancer.
PET-Directed Radiation for Oligometastatic Disease
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Will ChenGUEST
I know at least one or two of my patients are in the audience, so thanks for showing up.

Will ChenGUEST
First, we'll talk a little bit about what Dr. Barrow already went over in great detail, which is how we detect where the cancer's returned.

Will ChenGUEST
And then I'll talk and focus mostly on the role of radiation treatment when the cancer has returned and spread to typically just one or a few areas.

Will ChenGUEST
And we'll talk about some work and research in the field and also here at UCSF that we've done to look at outcomes of modern radiation directed at metastatic prostate cancer.
E51 - Can Open Source Compete with Harvey and Legora? Mike OSS Founder William Chen
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Zach AbramowitzHOST
Is there a, in your head, is there like a what comes next? Like do you have like a very specific plan, or are you just kind of like living in the moment of like hacking, breaking, um, putting things out there and seeing where it goes?

Will ChenGUEST
So, so really like I, I, I launched Mike almost as not too much with a, without too much of a plan in mind.

Will ChenGUEST
I really just like launched it on, on Wednesday, and I had a flight on Friday, and I was on vacation.

Will ChenGUEST
I was supposed to be on va- vacation for two weeks.And I, I was, I was actually still on vacation for the most part, right, while my phone was blowing up.

Will ChenGUEST
So, you know, like, before I board the plane, um, like I, I just made a post on X, right? And, like, after I, I, I, I like came...
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