But what is it like for a driver here?

Yeah, like you say, from a fan's perspective, this is an awesome track, but that also brings such a big crowd out here, which makes it exciting for us.

The atmosphere is always amazing, but on track, it's a bit of a different one.

We call it the paperclip, a lot of straights and hard braking.

It makes for a bit of exciting racing when there's that much hard braking and straight line braking that you can try and pass people, but for us, it's our home event, so we're excited to be here.

We get heaps of friends and family down.

It's where we do our testing, so hopefully this weekend we can have a good result.

Can you put something there, a little bit of an early celebration?

I mean, what actually happened, and how do you feel now that you're fighting with one hand behind your back?

Yeah.

Um, yeah, I don't wanna get too much into it, to be honest.

That's probably the hard part of, uh, you know, not, not from Jamie's side, but from the whole situation, is that, uh, you know, not only from the team's side, but, um, fans and, and people inside the industry, that you, you are very much judged on your performance in our sport.

And that's, that's every sport, and you've gotta do a g- good job.

But I probably changed a lot of things over the off-season that n- that needed to be changed and people wanted me to change.

So dug deep, uh, did a lot of training, um, you know, made sure I was down here more.

... on the most power-dependent track with a car with a, a dodgy restrictor.

I mean, you have obviously won a few races too, but has that been quite a, a shift from the team, just trying to understand this package?

Yeah, I definitely think so.

I think you can see that in our performance.

But the thing is, I know that the Chevys change their sort of, um, aero package this year that's a bit more pitch sensitive, so we don't know that if we're in, if we're in the Camaro, if we had to change our setups a lot this year leading into that as well.

But switching to the Ford, yeah, definitely.

Like, um- Yeah, I think you've seen the competitiveness drop off a little bit right now, but that's just learning a new package and trying to build on that.

You know, like, I think you guys, um, you know, also DJR and Penrite have had a fair while with sort of the Ford package, so we've gotta get on top of it, but seem-

Yeah.

I've been doing my research, mate, and I do pay a little bit of attention to Supercars anyway.

Yeah, I guess it was big shoes to fill.

Shane pretty much around then was the goat of supercars.

He'd won championships and he'd gone over and just won a NASCAR race and then decided he was gonna head off.

So they were looking for a replacement and luckily enough, I put my hand up.

I sort of was able to break a contract naughtily and get across to, get across to Triple Eight.

But yeah, I'd sort of, When I made that move, I sort of felt like with the team and, you know, the support of Red Bull and everyone, if I didn't win the championship that year, I pretty much felt like I probably had let the team down because you could see Shane had won for multiple years.

How big is that change?

So Do you feel like later on in life, you've had to rip up that bandaid and start shedding that skin and go, okay, well, I've always had to see myself as perfect, but actually there are so many imperfections that I was hiding behind, but now it's only now as a songwriter, it started to actually come out as I really explore who am I as the singer, not the son of a preacher man.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

And it took a long time to get to that place.

It took a lot of work because it was also during the time when I stepped away from music and I kind of also stepped away mentally, like from church, even though I was still at church, is because I felt like I kept trying to be this person and I felt like everybody wanted me to be.

And in the midst of all of that, I started losing myself and I started losing the confidence.

And it wasn't up until I made the decision is to start living life for myself and finding that version of myself that I realized I lost along the journey and kind of getting back to that person.

yeah and yet there's something in the back of my mind of society dictating you've got to have that family right now so where was that moment you went you know what it isn't about necessarily the followers the family the wife it's actually purely down to my work and let my work speak for itself but i want to focus and channel all my energy into that rather than having the drama over there or the drama over there

Now, out of all of the Motown artists, who would be your favourite artists and songs you would listen to? Oh,

I love Sam Kirk.

Do I have to just pick one? Wow.

Oh, you can talk, you can tell us about any of them.

I love Sam Cooke.

I love, um, uh, how I'm, his name, his name escapes me right now.

Uh, it's a whole stuff.

Yeah, yeah.

Will, what about you, man?

Yeah, I'm Will Brown.

I'm over in Alton County, Baxter, Georgia.

And our situation is a lot of the same as Savannah just mentioned.

A little behind.

We got... cotton anywhere from early squaring to approaching peak bloom.

A lot of people didn't want to get going the early part of May because we did catch some shower too early in May that that gave us the moisture we needed to get planting but still had some cool soil temperature so a lot of people wanted to hold off a little bit and let the let the soil warm up and then by that time that last week of May it it, it rained about every day that last week in May.

Yeah.

What was the relationship for you and your family?

We've always been a close-knit family.

We always share things with my mom.

My mom, because she was a little more understanding.

But as we grew up, it trickled down to both, like my dad as well.

And for some of my brothers and sisters, maybe for them it's my father.

But for me, and I know one of my sisters, it's always been my mom.

I mean, it's, it's a really, it's a great piece of music and I, you know, I love all genres, but this is, you know, it's one that you definitely go back to, but just share a bit about those early days where the ideas, the writing, and then going into production.

Oh

... we're kind of now at the point where the infra to manage the training is kind of in place, and you can do it without thinking about the hardware and the GPUs, where the models still kind of struggle.

But you can, you can really focus on, like, the environment and designing your tasks, and specifying what you want, and having... turning existing data that you already have into kind of training recipes.

And so we're kind of at the point now where, like, this is pretty accessible for people to kind of go train models, and it's been pretty cool kind of, uh, seeing, uh, people have fun with it.

Yeah.

Um, but for things where it's like there's a right answer, and it's not too hard to see if the model, like, got the right answer, uh, from doing an agent trace, either from the human's response or let's say that if companies want to have their humans, like, label as part of using the product by default, yeah, this is doable.

And the, the RL recipes are kind of stable and scalable enough that, like, it kind of...

Like, it doesn't always work, but it works reliably enough that it- I think the barrier to entry and the cost are just, like, at a point where it, it's cool to see that this is now a thing people can go do.

Yeah.

At some point, there's a plateau.

Um, and you can grow every year, you can still have, like, exponential growth, but the percentages are not gonna ...

There's only so many people to adopt AI products.

Um, and once they adopt it, like, if they were gonna be spending more and more, it has to be delivering like a very large multiplier of new value per year.

And there's some laws of physics of, like, how good models are gonna get, how, like, fast we can possibly make the chip.

Like, the chips are only gonna scale so quickly.

Mm-hmm.

Uh, and again, it, it's gonna create opportunities for people to say, "Hey, I wanna go work on this product that hundreds of millions and soon billions of people use every single day."

Right.

And I do think it'll get to a point, especially with, like, 2025 into '26, where there's a lot of product stuff that people seem...

Like, uh, I think we're early on products and we'll keep getting better versions of the same things in a way that's, like, kind of predictable.

Like, the image models will keep getting better.

The agents will mess up less.

But like, we can already use those things and we can start building proof of concepts around them.

Yeah.

A- and again, it, it's gonna create opportunities for people to say, "Hey, I wanna go work on this product that hundreds of millions and soon billions of people use every single day."

Right.

And I do think it'll get to a point, especially with, like, 2025 into '26, where there's a lot of product stuff that people seem...

Like, I think we're early on products and we'll keep getting better versions of the same things in a way that's, like, kind of predictable.

Like, the image models will keep getting better, the agents will mess up less, but, like, we can already use those things and we can start building proof of concepts around them.

And the question is like, okay, what are the winning apps? Um, like I, I imagine that like the real-time Cluey kind of thing, some...

OpenAI is going to do their version of that at some point.

Yeah.

But yeah, they, they haven't put it as far center as last time.

Do we have any...

This is, like, already veering off from Claude directly into speculation, but do we have any idea, um, if there are any material differences between how Claude extended thinking works versus, like, the old series models? Do we know? The biggest difference seems to be at le- and this is kind of a thing that's been...

I mean, I don't know, this is all speculation, of course, but from the start, Anthropic had always kind of had this little thinking thing, where you could, um...

Sometimes even, like, Claude 3.5 would do, like, a tiny bit of thinking, and it was really just, like, deciding which tool to use for the most part.

Like, if it was doing, um, an artifact in the Claude UI, it would have this little thing where it would think for, like, two sentences about which tool to use.

And it seemed like Anthropic's kind of attitude has been that extended thinking is an instance of tool use, and that it's the kind of thing you want to equip the model with the ability to do.

No, no, no, like, the, the GRPO.