And I think Zab

identified the right mix and, you know, turned it into what it is now.

And with that, he started systematically attacking infrastructure, you know, which is not always the aesthetically pleasing thing to do for everybody.

You don't see where the money's going, but it's the right move.

And so he put Punch 200 in a position that now we can go after the things that people see.

You know, the parks, the things that people want to see, the downtown, you know, the aesthetically pleasing projects.

So walking in behind him, it was, you know, you have that.

you know um there's gonna be so many backstories in that political realm too yes you know like why is he doing this why is this person acting this way whether it's a council member just a regular citizen you know and a guy like zab who was in was it 20 years or something