I see the color gold as you're talking.

Well, it was also fraught.

I mean, the Vietnam War, high school, Vietnam War, all the boys, all they cared about was what was their number? Did they have to go and get killed? It was also fraught.

And- One can look back now and kind of understand some of the satisfactions of protesting and breaking.

And certainly being young at that age, there was this ridiculous, youthful confidence, not ridiculous, wonderful, youthful confidence in our power to change the world.

But it was also very much like now where real fear for what's going on and real conflict within ourselves and between various contacts and people that we move between.

You know, many a Thanksgiving dinner was fraught for many people as we hoped to sort of invent a different way of being in the world, not just long hair, you know.

I was constantly