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Well, I think that Etiquini certainly faces numerous challenges.

If one just looks at the report by the Auditor General, the Auditor General has revealed that Etiquini has a challenge with regards to irregular expenditure of over some R4 billion.

That R4 billion of irregular expenditure in Etiquini amounts to over 50, some 57 or so percent of the amount of irregular expenditure within the entire province.

So very clearly, there is a challenge with regards to managing the finances, bearing in mind that Etiquini has a budget of some 75 billion rand.

So Etiquini doesn't have a financial challenge.

What Etiquini has is a maintenance problem, it has a management problem, and it has a corruption problem.

How would you describe the current state of governance in Etiquini?

Well, I think that Etiquini certainly faces numerous challenges.

If one just looks at the report by the Auditor General, the Auditor General has revealed that Etiquini has a challenge with regards to irregular expenditure of over some R4 billion.

That four billion rand of irregular expenditure in Etiquini amounts to over 50, some 57 or so percent of the amount of irregular expenditure within the entire province.

So very clearly, there is a challenge with regards to managing the finances, bearing in mind that Etiquini has a budget of some 75 billion rand.

So Etiquini doesn't have a financial challenge.

What Etiquini has is a maintenance problem, it has a management problem, and it has a corruption problem.

What tangible evidence can you share of your ability to govern differently?

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I could just kick off and then you can come in.

So, Brett, what essentially happened is that when the EFF was established, Economic Freedom Fighters in South Africa, it was offshoot from the ANC, the ruling party at the time.

The EFF's slogan to a large extent is, we want the land, we want the land back.

And they created a lot of media hype around the land issue and placed huge pressure on the ANC, indicating that the ANC had failed the black people in particular by not restoring the land back to black South Africans.

So this started with the EFF.

The ANC felt pressured to respond.

If I may