And when you look at some of the places where you learned really good leadership, which you're now quite contented to share some of the best practice, what I call world-class leadership, Who would you – just a couple of examples you'd pick out and colleagues that you worked with that you still find them an inspiration to you?

Yeah.

It's interesting, isn't it, when you look back and kind of go, who were those that inspired me with how they went about doing things and to stand out for me amongst a whole bunch – I was at Janssen, Janssen Seal Lake, which is now I think just Johnson & Johnson Pharma.

I was there running the prescription business for the ANZ part of the world for a bunch of years a ways back, and the MD that I reported to said, at the time do i say names um so he's he uh david norton was his name and david was the first kind of real big business senior leader that i worked with that really kind of i looked and said i I'm a long way from there.

I'm a long way from where he operates, but I really want to try and learn to operate more like him.

And he was extremely insightful in how he addressed everything.

And he did that.

When you left a successful corporate career as you did, What were you running towards and what were you running away from?