We should probably fill the gap, actually, or the gaps on the Mangrove Nine.

Right.

Okay.

The Mangrove Nine kind of sprung out of, um, mainly, uh, Frank Crichlow had, um, a little West Indian restaurant.

It was a meeting place for the community that came over, the Windrush generation that came over at the time, and there you can, you can, you can sit, you can drink, you can eat Caribbean food, you can play your dominoes, and just kind of enjoy home away from home.

But, uh, the hassles they had back then from the police, and especially from racism, um, was quite, was quite, um, potent.

It was something that, that caused friction in the community.

Yeah.

[laughs]

... and his enthusiasm, uh, gave me the proverbial kick up the rear to kind of say, "Dude, you know, you, you know, both of us have collected some, some amazing moments in time, points in time when it comes to the carnival." You know, this feels, and we both have felt it together ironically, that this was the moment to do it, right? It could have been- You know, it could have been last year, it could have been the year before, it could be next year.

And I think it's the, the, the irony of it all is that neither of us actually fully appreciate it was the 60th anniversary of Carnival this year either.

[laughs] So it's, uh, it just, it shows you how the stars align in a weird way.

Um, so, uh, so, so yeah, very, very much so.

And I think for me, what, what, what makes this book important is, um, I too was a reveler that used to, used to find me kind of fold up into huge bass bins on sound systems, 'cause I'm a bit of a bass head.

I like to hear a bit of bass.

Yeah.