And so there's sort of this idea that hunting was not just an activity that humans sometimes do, but, like, a really somehow formative central one.

Yeah.

There's been just huge pendulum swings in the importance of hunting and meat over the past few, few decades.

So after man the hunter, after Lee's data on women's foraging came out, there was a real swing away from meat and toward plants and, and more toward what we might call omnivory, just kind of like a generalized sort of diet.

But I think, you know, todayI doubt you would find any anthropologists who think that meat was unimportant, but I think most anthropologists would say that it is by no means, like, the single overarching driving factor, right, behind our evolution.

When you look at these early theories, like Washburn's, Ardrey's, they really saw this as a neat package that was unified by hunting, right? Domestic life, the nuclear family, male cooperation, but not female cooperation, bipedalism, tools.

I mean, these ideas go back to Darwin, actually.

What did you make of the archeology one?