Because is it merely just a matter of finding somebody to fund your business or whatever versus other factors that make you not particularly bankable in the classic sense of the word?

Yeah.

Well, thanks a lot for having me, Joseph.

And as someone who comes from a business family on the one side, my father's side for over 100 years, we can trace back our roots in business.

And my mother's side being in the education field for a very long time, it was almost inevitable that I ended up with a business education type of focus in my life.

And I did start my business when I was 19 and really working between Suriname and Guyana because I'm from both countries.

One parent from Suriname, one parent from Guyana.

And how do you really treat with that?