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and look at that.

I mean, you're right to feel outraged by that because we are nonviolent protesters.

We've never engaged in a violent protest.

I mean, we've been subjected to the police violence at protests because they're the ones that bring the violence every single time.

Where's our special persons list where we can ban certain police officers who start to display suboptimal behaviour? Can this be a two-way street? Because it feels a bit like they're the ones that bring the violence and yet we're the ones on the special persons list.

So, yeah, I mean, there's absolutely no precedent for this and obviously it can be a slippery slope.

So it is a bit puzzling.

Uh, and talk us through the journey itself, uh, from Australia all the way to, yeah, being kidnapped.

Oh.

Um, yeah, so I had to fly into Italy.

Basically the, the Mediterranean, um, the closer you get to occupied Palestine, the more danger you're in, um, of Israel interfering geopolitically.

So you can't dock in, in, uh, into certain places, certain countries, because basically they'll stop your ship from leaving through, like, red tape and paperwork.

They know what's up.

They know what's going on.

But, uh, maybe you can speak to that incident and, uh, some of the fears that no doubt were, were playing through your mind as the Israelis came aboard.

Thinking about the last few months, have you been able to find some peace or sense of presence or centeredness in nature? Have they helped get a sense of priority or reality for you?

Yeah, well, you know, as soon as I got back to the country from this massive mission, you know, I really just wanted to head out into nature again.

Obviously, I had to finish the mission by doing the media and homecoming rituals.

But then I head out past Kurni country into Bidwell country.

And that's like the snowy mountain region.

And of course, it was like really wonderful to connect with the nature there and, you know, some beautiful rainforest walks.

However, you know, it's just impossible now to connect with nature without also seeing the damage that's present from the climate emergency.

Thank