Uh, from an, uh, opening meditation on faith, Obama moved, uh, the primary theme of his eulogy, grace.

Quote, "This whole week, I've been reflecting on this idea of grace," he intones.

Once again, Obama, uh, harnessed both secular and Christian connotations now of grace.

He mentions grace as a topic of sermons and songs, grace that saves.

From the pulpit, the president does theology.

Quote, "According to the Christian tradition, grace is the free and benevolent favor of God as manifested in the salvation of sinners and the bestowal of blessings.

And I would be curious for you, you know, could you just share a little bit about, you know, why hold on to that aspiration and maybe what some of that could look like?

Mm hmm.

Thanks.

Yeah.

And I think that's a great thing to put out there.

Right.

That it seems impractical.

I'd be curious to hear from you as a theology professor, what helps to keep you grounded and resisting over intellectualizing things like natural law? What's helpful for you?