But what's the kind of like high level principles were in terms of the technique to try and downregulate that nervous system?

Yeah, I mean, very broadly, high level, anything that is a longer inhale and a shorter exhale is going to upregulate.

it's going to kind of increase heart rate and upregulate everything.

So if you want to be energized, if you want something that's more about focus or getting into your day, it's a lot of sort of very sharp inhales and shorter exhales.

Anything that is a longer exhale is down-regulating.

So there's common sort of things you've probably heard, things like box breathing, which is four seconds in, four seconds hold, four seconds out.

That starts kind of getting the system more down-regulated.

Anything else come to mind in terms of the work that you do that is helping so many people getting through that mindset and getting through the level of anxiety, et cetera?