Wow.

Right? And then use them as actors, right? And so there was this methodology that's being built, and it's, um, now Cornerstone Theater Company that's based in Los Angeles.

And, uh, Bill Rauch was one of the...

You know, he's, he's the, he was a founding artistic director of that.

And so n- having studied his actual methodology since I was, you know, beginning in theater in undergrad-Um, was like getting to work with him was one of those things where I was like, "Oh, I, I understand who you are as an artist and what your ins- in- initial inspiring question of this theater making is," and I'm excited about that, right? And so I knew instantly, I was like, "Okay, well then I wanna infuse that methodology into the way we work." Right? So it was like, so, um, we're gonna get to work with a community that's outside the traditional norms of theater making.

Mm.

And I've carried that mission through to my work today.

You know, like we talked about the Jellicle Ball, and it's like you see it and there's a very clear intention about who you're seeing on stage.

So what did that home kind of give you in those years?

First of all, the, the job was profound.

It, I mean, I got to do it for three years.

Arena Stage has three stages.

It's the first regional theater in the country.

It has this historic background to it.

And then to be there in this political storm, right? I, I got the job and I moved there in March 2017.

For sure.