Can you talk us through this a bit?

So if the land loses its identity, then sure enough, humans have lost their identity.

who they are and how they're connected to nature and the planet.

And that's exactly what we see.

And the old people told me this a long time ago.

It was such brilliant.

It was that the people and country will go together.

their fault, it's

What was your relationship like with both of these, these old men, and why do you think they chose you?

The first thing was for me to choose to stay there and to choose to be with them old people, and, you know, I wouldn't stay anywhere unless I...

there was a reason.

And when I told Poppy, I said to him, like, he said, "Where are you from, boy?" And I told him where I was from.

You know, I grew up in Karanda.

"Oh, yeah." And I said, "My mother, she's a Takalaka lady.

She's from Croydon, and that's where my grandmother's from and all her family is." And he goes, "Croydon? Oh, yeah, that's a Takalaka mob." And I said, "Yeah." He goes, "Yeah, yeah, I went there when I was, um, in my tw-- when I was 21 and doing, uh, mustering and cattle work." And he said that...

But you touched on the fact that there's also-- this is also, with the cultural burn, a different way for animals to respond to the burning, and I wonder if you could tell us a little bit about what cultural burning does for the animals that are in that ecosystem.