I could

just go on and on and on talking about this whole tariff case.

It's the IE book, right? Yes.

International Economic Emergency Powers Act, okay? IE book does not mention tariffs.

That's the strongest case.

There's also something, a concept, which came out under the Biden administration called major decisions, major issues doctrine.

Major decisions doctrine, I think is what it's called.

So how do you see this playing out?

Victor Owen Schwartz is the owner of Voss Selections.

You know, I only started on the journey with the idea of talking to Ilya Somin, who's one of the co-counsels.

He's a professor of law at the, uh, Antonin Scalia School of Law at George Mason University.

And I just got in touch with him because of a family member telling me that he was fighting the tariffs, and I said, "Wow, you know, I'm in the wine, uh, and spirits import and distribution business," and I felt, God, if there's any- ever an industry that is the canary in the coal mine, it's us.

And I just got on the phone and, and got to speak to Ilya, uh, who's a wonderful person, and, uh, very, very smart, and, uh, just to tell him what was going on in my industry.

I had no idea.

I didn't know IEEPA from my elbow, [chuckles] you know? So, I mean, I didn't know any of these things, and I didn't even know that the tariffs were illegal.

How did the IEEPA tariffs impact you, and how did that change your business over the past year, having to handle those tariffs?

Victor Owen Schwartz is the owner of Voss Selections.

You know, I only started on the journey with the idea of talking to Ilya Somin, who's one of the co-counsels.

He's a professor of law at the, uh, Antonin Scalia School of Law at George Mason University.

And I just got in touch with him because of a family member telling me that he was fighting the tariffs, and I said, "Wow, you know, I'm in the wine, uh, and spirits import and distribution business." And I felt, God, if there's any- ever an industry that is the canary in the coal mine, it's us.

And I just got on the phone and, and got to speak to Ilya, uh, who's a wonderful person, and, uh, very, very smart, and, uh, just to tell him what was going on in my industry.

I had no idea.

I didn't know IEEPA from my elbow, [laughs] you know? So, I mean, I didn't know any of these things, and I didn't even know that the tariffs were illegal.

How did the IEEPA tariffs impact you, and how did that change your business over the past year, having to handle those tariffs?