jobs.

But all of that somewhat accidental.

So I started my career in the South East and in London in particular.

I became an expert witness for the courts quite early on, so I knew a little bit about litigation and people who had litigation funds and needed services beyond what health and social care could offer.

I then, for personal reasons, because I was married to a serviceman, but I then moved to the North East quite quickly.

and I didn't have time to organize a job for myself.

And so I fell into the private sector sort of by accident.

And one thing we really need to ask Vicky about, I mean we know each other and have done for a long time and I primarily know you from your Babbicombe role and I know the role you played in the creation of IRCM which is becoming a really well it's the thing everyone's talking about within case management but what what is IRCM Vicky can you tell us a bit more about what it does the reason for it and the role that you played Well the first thing to say is I'm glad that everyone's