Mm.

But relinquishing some of that control and working together on that with people, with...

We're, we're starting to notice that, you know, people finding they have their own solutions, but we're, we're, we're giving the space, um, and we're using the right questions to, to open that up and to be able to hear that, and then that, you know, that, that changes how we practice in terms of, you know, listening and, um, really being in tune with where the person wants to go, what direction they want to take with solving their problems.

So I, I think it is that reflection always on we- we've done this, we've made this change, what, what do we feel the impact of that is? Um, uh, we, we set up a rehab group where we use some co-design with people, um, to see what they wanted from a rehab group, and again, sort of using that, using that in, um, the f- setting up the structure of the group, but then coming back to people afterwards and saying, "Actually, well, how, how did this feel?" So I think just that making sure we are reflecting on change, um-

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I d- you know, I just did not appreciate that.

And as you say, Mira, the, you know, you almost feel the gold standard is to have those two people talking about that themselves.