So how does Sunlighten kind of address EMFs? How high are your saunas emitting? And what should buyers know about how they're measured and what's considered safe?

Yeah, EMFs, that's something that over the years we've become more and more aware of as a company, especially in the holistic space.

That is a major concern for a lot of people and it is valid.

There are people that just do not handle EMFs very well.

We both have our wired headphones in because even something like that, the way Bluetooth headphones work, every electrical product emits these EMFs and some people may not react to them or may not realize that they are reacting to them.

But over the years, we've done as much as possible to reduce the levels.

So we've done third-party testing where they came in, checked our heaters in different positions, different spots, when it was on, when it was off.

beautiful, but yeah.

Sure.

And he somehow, that long ago, had already heard about this infrared therapy as a way to detoxify the body.

So that's what they did.

They were very skeptical, of course, 'cause who knew about infrared? But what was happening, too, is Connie and Aaron had met at Procter & Gamble, which it's a funny dynamic, pharmaceuticals versus where they are now.

But Connie had ability to research.

So she was in the cardiac side of things, doing these different medicines for the heart, and she was able to research and check out these different documents and these articles and these papers that were talking about this infrared.

She was like, "Sure enough, this is impressive, and there's no side effects," right? So all the statins and stuff that they were probably creating always had side effects.

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