[laughs]

And, um, you were one of the first people I started following, and I, I was just like amazed by your photography and, and just like moms in general just getting really creative, like with showing their everyday life.

And that was what really kind of pushed me to maybe explore that I could do that too.

And, um, and so it happened right when I had graduated, so I never actually pursued what I graduated in.

And I started dabbling in, not photography, but I used to just do it with my phone.

[laughs] So, um, so that's kind of how it, you know, it kind of evolved into this.

So that was kinda like the pathway that I, that I did.

Mm-hmm.