[laughs]

He was like, " 'Cause we just, we were like, 'Whatever.

It's fine.'" I remember this one time though, Emma was in fifth grade.

She had this friend who, they would, they would hang out a little bit.

They weren't super close yet, but they did hang out and a- something kind of changed, I guess, and she started kinda bullying Emma.

I mean, I think we all had that bully in middle school, you know, and this was hers.

And, uh, so there had come this point where a friend of hers at school, who was a boy, who probably wished he had never gotten in the middle of this, told her, "Hey, this girl said X, Y, Z about you." I won't say what she said, although I do remember, but it was something about her physical appearance.

But do you remember, like, when, did you find out about this after the fact, or how involved were you on the front end? Did you encourage her to do that, or is it just like this thing happened and she did it on her own?