It

is easy to say that, and that's the policy reality gap that occurs.

Yeah, I like that.

Working at Navy Medicine Headquarters, well, when you're out in the field at a military treatment facility, you might hear somebody say, oh, Bugad said we shall do this, right? And they're referring to Bugad.

Navy medicine, because that's where the policies are shaped, right? And so for me, I mean, it's understanding that there is a difference, and studies have shown this, that leaders at this level have one thought, right? And then when you ask the leaders at another level and they have a different lens and it's ensuring that you're looking at both of those lenses to decrease that gap, right? So I love frameworks too, because it gives you a lens to look through everything.

So workforce wellbeing isn't just a thing, right? It can't be just a, okay, yeah, we allow for yoga at once a day or, and it can't be a, oh, we have this app, this calm app or whatever.

for people to use.

What's one thing that they could do and start maybe even tomorrow? What would you recommend?