... okay, sometimes for people it's this kind of a mental, you know, contradiction or something like that.

It, it is a contradiction, actually.

Um, I mean, the ... a- and the bigger contradiction is we have that narratives which the tech industry and the influencers and so on are telling us, um, "So forget everything you ever, ever done.

Um, AI is going to do that for you now." And then you have the people inside the community who tell you the opposite, basically, and say, "No, you don't have to forget everything you've done.

We are running..." Um, I mean, implicitly they're not saying it, but, "We are running on bleeding edge technology which can give us great results, which can give us crappy results depending on how you use it.

And in order to get, or to increase the likelihood of getting great results, you have to focus even more on your engineering practices or the good engineering practices you've learnt before." The ...

For me, the, the hard part of the thi- of, of the story is that you always get these contradictory stories-

... uh, looking from now to the future, is there something where you're kind of, uh, personally looking forward, where you're saying, "Uh, this is exciting"? Because maybe are we all stupid and looking just for GenAI, and you're telling us, "No, no, there, there's..." I don't know, something happening or maybe a, you know, a preci- precious thing we, uh, we should know about, yeah, in, in the industry.